Re: [-empyre-] location and data

[Teri Rueb <terirueb@earthlink.net>]

hm.  not sure if this is still in the vein of the original thread (i 
come late), but with respect to recent posts...

"a GPS sequence...is languauge".  what it represents isn't so 
important, perhaps, as how it represents.  to speak of the relationship 
between location and data naturally leads to this discussion of 
language.

the mathematical system of representation that uses lon / lat coords to 
describe spatial relationships tends to frame space and time in terms 
of discrete moments and points, rather than continuous flows in 
context...  the technology emerges from and privileges one system of 
representation, but the work made with it can (i believe) articulate 
and support alternative and even contradictory representations / 
articulations of space and time, even if only by revealing the inherent 
bias of the tool.

re-inscribing the body in information seems always to emerge as the 
pressing issue.

On Sep 19, 2004, at 17:54, James Barrett wrote:

> But when you say 'Information can be extracted'I believe information is
> not found or discovered.Truth is articulated or constructed, otherwise
> what happens to old or contradictory information? Is it discarded or 
> is it
> refined and adapted over time? A GPS sequence has to be presented in a
> manner understandable as a GPS sequence (check out ours here:
> http://blog.humlab.umu.se/~fredrik/gps2blog.php). It may not 
> necessarily
> be in a pure narrative form but it is language. When I referred to 
> Bakhtin
> (as he wrote about in 'The Problem of the Text') I was thinking more of
> architecture or even the layered bricolage mentioned earlier in the 
> story
> of the London glass tower and Roman ruin . Any movements through space 
> (as
> progressions of time) result in narrative possibility which can, in 
> turn,
> be represented alternately as a GPS sequence, or as thought or even the
> information shadows of data-mining.
> But how do you go with the above example of the GPS sequence? Can you
> 'see' where it is? What season it was? How we felt as we drove through 
> the
> night? (Don’t follow the links!). Or is it just a GPS sequence, as a 
> plot
> outline is to a novel? How does one represent individuals in such a
> sequence without it becoming a narrative? I wonder about information 
> that
> is 'not true'. Is that fiction as in literature? Can I just attribute
> whatever I want to the sign or sign sequence (al la Duchamp) and it
> remains information?
>
> > Just a reminder of the origin of this thread because I think we're
> > getting to the gist of things:
> >
> > > If you see a city and you see data, how do you see the two in
> > > juxtaposition or integration?  If you were presented with either a
> > > vacant
> > > lot where a historical theater once stood, a stretch of nondescript
> > > desert
> > > in the same length and width as the autobahn, or a city center newly
> > > built, which would you choose to work with?
> >
> > Now that we're talking about Bakhtin, I think what's missing here (at
> > least to make it interesting to me, personally) is the fact that the
> > 'data' being refered to is not the kind of GPS based, chronotopic data
> > that I'm interested in. So the data presented is not going to generate
> > its own narrated chronotope as in a movie or novel. When I talk about
> > 'filling in the blanks' (previous post), I'm not talking about the
> > artist filling in the blanks but the artist presenting the data in 
> > such
> > a way that each viewer can fill in the blanks as they see fit, based
> > either on their knowledge or lack of knowledge of the space and
> > individual/s interacting with it. The way certain people interact 
> > with a
> > certain point in space on a regular basis, says a lot about that space
> > and you can hint at a lot of particulars just by presenting that
> > interaction along with the time factor. It's really quite shocking how
> > much information you can extract from something like this, regardless 
> > of
> > whether that information is true or not. That's not really the point.
> >
> > Pall
> >
> >
> > On sun, 2004-09-19 at 06:03, Teri Rueb wrote:
> > > ..."felt" and "observed" being bound up in each other...re: crary's
> > > 'observer', the notion of reflexivity...
> > >
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